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"In order for man to transform his nonhuman environment to his advantage, he must know the laws that govern the natural world"


IP属地:美国1楼2015-10-09 19:57回复
    "For it is noly by knowing the laws of phenomena, and thus being able to forsee them, that we can ... them to modify one another for our advantage ... Whenever we effect anything great it is through a knowledge of natural laws ... From science comes prevision; from prevision comes action."
    有点,奇怪,自己好像完全不觉得这是在说social science......可能是前一阵天体物理看多了吧......不过好像也是,似乎从来没有觉得这东西会有那么一个真正的law......哎呀呀,不知道应该怎么面对这种感觉。


    IP属地:美国2楼2015-10-09 20:02
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      "In a like manner, social action beneficial to mankind will become possible once the laws of motion of human evolution are estabilished, and the basis for social order and civic concord is identified."
      "Far from being of theoretical interest alone, the social sciences, like the natrural sciences, must ultmately be of concrete benefit to man and play a major part in the amelioration 改善 of the human condition"
      第一遍的时候把benefit看成了belief...... 觉得好棒呀。后来抄的时候发现是benefit,于是觉得好low


      IP属地:美国3楼2015-10-09 20:06
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        当我看到“改善”的时候笑了…好贴心


        来自iPhone客户端4楼2015-10-09 23:36
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          "We shall find that there is no chance of order and agreement but in subjecting 大概就是附庸或者限制 social phenomena, like all others, to invariable natural laws, which shall, as a whole, prescribe 大概就是规定或者明确 for each period, with entire certainty, the limits and character of social action."
          这个法国老头的原著被翻译成的英文版本都是这种逗号逗号逗号的,看着超累,现在看简介就是一段很清楚流利顺畅然后跟着一段逗号逗号逗号......


          IP属地:美国5楼2015-10-10 12:53
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            "Instead of accepting canonical 传统宗教认知观念那种感觉 truths as everlastingly valid, he insisted on continued progress of human understanding and the self-corrective character of the scientific enterprise."
            "All investigation into the nature of beings, and their first and final causes, must always be absolute; whereas the study of the laws of phenomena must be relative, since it supposes a continuous progress of speculation subject to the gradual improvement of observation, without the precise reality ever being fully disclosed....The relative character of scientific conceptions is inseparable from the true idea of natural laws."
            有一点,相对论的感觉诶,还有一种好像真理是永远无法被发现的,但是一定要努力去追求,哦,苏格拉底呢。在一个学科刚刚诞生的时候,以这样的一种视角,所以这家伙(好像)创造了comparison的方式来研究


            IP属地:美国6楼2015-10-10 13:26
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              "Once men recognize the overriding authority of science in the guidance of human affairs, they will also abandon the illusory quest for an unfettered 自由的'right of free inquiry, or the dogma of unbounded不受限制的 liberty of consicence.'"
              "Freedom of personal opinion makes no sense in astronomy or physcs, and in the future such freedom will be similarly inappropriate in the social sciences."
              "The intellectual reorganization now dawning in the social sciences 'requires the renunciation 放弃 by the greater number of their right of individual inquiry on subjects above their qualification'"
              "The right of free inquiry will abide 停留 (限制) within its natural and permanent limits: that is, men will discuss, under appropriate intellectual conditions, the real connections of various consequences with fundamental rules universally respected."
              "The exigent requirements of scientific discourse will set firm limits on vain specuation and unbridled utopianism"
              综上,这感觉就像是,完全的或者纯粹的理性世界的感觉,在二百年前的那个年代应该算是光明的向往吧,只不过我不喜欢纯粹的理性世界


              IP属地:美国7楼2015-10-12 10:34
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                "But 'experimentation takes place whenever the regular course of the phenomenon is interfered with in any determine manner......Pathological 病态的 cases are the true scientific equivalent of pure experimentation.' Disturbances in the social body are 'analogous to diseases in the individual organism,' and so the study of the pathological giaves, as it were, privileged access to an understanding of the normal"
                这种说法挺有意思的,pure experimentation, 所以说这个法国老头可以算是开创了functionism,social body出问题了function就坏掉了,然后通过实验去调整,或者说,治疗。不过在一开始,根本就不知道什么是正常的嘛,而且不舒服这种东西如果没有arousal也不一定能察觉到


                IP属地:美国8楼2015-10-12 11:45
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                  "The chief method here 'consists in a comparison of the different co-existing states of human society on the various parts of the earth's surface——these states being completely independent of each other. By this method, the different stages of evolution may be observed at once.' Though the human race as a whole has progressed in a single and uniform manner, various populations 'have attained extremely unequal degrees of development' from causes still little understood. Hence, certain phases of development 'of which the history of [Western] civilization leaves no perceptible 可察觉的 traces, can be known only by this comparative method,' that is, by the comparative study of primitive 原始 societies. Moreover, the comparative method is of the essence when we wish to study the influence of race or climate 思潮 on human affairs. It is indispensable 至关重要,for example, to combat 反对 fallacious 不靠谱的 doctrines, 'as when social differences have been ascribed to the politcal influence of climate, instead of that inequality of evolution which is the real cause.'"
                  这个法国老头觉得全世界的社会发展都是一个样的,差别只在于谁发展得快些谁发展得慢些,然而我又觉得不爽了,不过纯粹理性的人就是这个样,在讲述的时候完全不考虑文化不考虑情感,把社会把人当成完全生硬的东西。不过这个法国老头看重思想转变的过程,虽然上回我还听到生产方式的改变有可能是改变思想的原因。哦,总之,太生硬了,太冷血了。


                  IP属地:美国9楼2015-10-12 12:08
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